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RL's a Hell of a Drug: Metagaming, Reward Seeking & Motivated CoT Reasoning – Bronson Schoen, Apollo
aired Aug 26, 2026 · 133.0m
Hello, and welcome back to The Cognitive Revolution. Today, my guest is Bronson Shane, member of technical staff at Apollo Research, who, thanks to the privileged access that Apollo enjoys as part of their science of scheme and research with OpenAI and others, has potentially read as much frontier model chain of thought reasoning, which of course users normally don't get to see, as anyone in the world.
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