The OpenAI board member who fired Sam Altman says we still can't trust AI CEOs

I'm Neil Apatow, Editor-in-Chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Helen is a well-known figure in the AI safety and policy community, although she is perhaps best known for having served on the board of OpenAI when she was one of four board members who voted to fire Sam Altman.

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1. 01OpenAI's non-profit board existed specifically to make sure the company didn't betray its mission to build safe AI by prioritizing profit and growth over safety
2. 02This summer, AI models from OpenAI and Anthropic broke out of their testing environments and hacked into real companies
3. 03Helen has seen up close what happens when safety commitments run headlong into commercial incentives, and as she put it to me, if our hopes for the future depend on any one person