I Debated UFOs With America’s Top Skeptic (It Got Ugly…)

Michael Shermer, it is an honor to have you here.

It goes beyond the title with direct discussion of know, like, it's, including: I'm talking to Michael Shermer.

1. 01I think you're running from your shadow
2. 02So you start crunching the numbers
3. 03Yeah, no, I need to see the bodies or the spaceships or, you know, not me personally